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		<title>Comment on The Adult Privilege Checklist by Claymore</title>
		<link>http://shutupsitdown.co.uk/2009/11/16/the-adult-privilege-checklist/#comment-3703</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Claymore]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 15:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would post something more thorough and well thought out, but I just wanted to say to Jaime that the way her parents are treating her is wrong and I hope that either they stop it or she can get out of there sooner rather than later.  The people on this blog don&#039;t seem to actually give a shit about or pay attention to what she said (Jaime: sorry I am talking about you in the third person it&#039;s just that you said nothing wrong and I want to address the ignorance displayed by those responding to you).  It sounds like she is trying her hardest and her parents are being harsh and will not accept that she can only manage so much, and I don&#039;t know how anyone can defend her father demeaning her sexuality, whether that&#039;s taking the form of shaming or punishing her for masturbating (or spying on her to prevent it), or telling her that being LGBTQ is unacceptable, or calling her a slut, or saying she can&#039;t date until she&#039;s an adult, or trying to prevent her from accessing contraception, condoms or abortion, or whatever else.  It is her body.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would post something more thorough and well thought out, but I just wanted to say to Jaime that the way her parents are treating her is wrong and I hope that either they stop it or she can get out of there sooner rather than later.  The people on this blog don&#8217;t seem to actually give a shit about or pay attention to what she said (Jaime: sorry I am talking about you in the third person it&#8217;s just that you said nothing wrong and I want to address the ignorance displayed by those responding to you).  It sounds like she is trying her hardest and her parents are being harsh and will not accept that she can only manage so much, and I don&#8217;t know how anyone can defend her father demeaning her sexuality, whether that&#8217;s taking the form of shaming or punishing her for masturbating (or spying on her to prevent it), or telling her that being LGBTQ is unacceptable, or calling her a slut, or saying she can&#8217;t date until she&#8217;s an adult, or trying to prevent her from accessing contraception, condoms or abortion, or whatever else.  It is her body.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Fat Phobia and Thin Privilege by Bill H</title>
		<link>http://shutupsitdown.co.uk/2009/08/19/fat-phobia-and-thin-privilege/#comment-3697</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bill H]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 16:40:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Weight is a life style choice. I can appreaciate the rant on social pressures but it comes down to, thin people live longer, heavier people might have a better quality of life, if food factors into your definition of that.  The other choice is a healthy look or beauty that appeals to the opposite sex. As it is true, beauty is somewhat in the eye of the beholder, and society clearly plays some role in defining that, you can choose to conform or be a deviat.  

I wouldn&#039;t belittle the medical reasons to maintain a balance in your lifes choice.  Even May West was voluptuous and curvy, not visibly skinny so, certainly there is lattitude in an a healthy body.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Weight is a life style choice. I can appreaciate the rant on social pressures but it comes down to, thin people live longer, heavier people might have a better quality of life, if food factors into your definition of that.  The other choice is a healthy look or beauty that appeals to the opposite sex. As it is true, beauty is somewhat in the eye of the beholder, and society clearly plays some role in defining that, you can choose to conform or be a deviat.  </p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t belittle the medical reasons to maintain a balance in your lifes choice.  Even May West was voluptuous and curvy, not visibly skinny so, certainly there is lattitude in an a healthy body.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Adult Privilege Checklist by Updates &#124; Raven Wings</title>
		<link>http://shutupsitdown.co.uk/2009/11/16/the-adult-privilege-checklist/#comment-3690</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Updates &#124; Raven Wings]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jan 2012 19:40:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on The Adult Privilege Checklist by Lynn Powers</title>
		<link>http://shutupsitdown.co.uk/2009/11/16/the-adult-privilege-checklist/#comment-3675</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lynn Powers]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2012 19:32:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am not trying to disparage the list, but as the author, I would ask you the purpose of it because it is still lost on me. If, you &quot;believe that children’s rights are important, and that feminists (. . .) should be invested in working for the rights of all oppressed groups – including children&quot;, then it makes sense that the items on this list need to be changed. If, on the other hand, it is a list to simply serve as a reminder of the frustrations and humaness of children, that is another story.

I think the argument could be made (right or wrong) that a &quot;Privilege&quot; list could be made for almost every group from the viewpoint of someone outside that group. I would love to see the feedback from your friends&#039; children, in their own words.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not trying to disparage the list, but as the author, I would ask you the purpose of it because it is still lost on me. If, you &#8220;believe that children’s rights are important, and that feminists (. . .) should be invested in working for the rights of all oppressed groups – including children&#8221;, then it makes sense that the items on this list need to be changed. If, on the other hand, it is a list to simply serve as a reminder of the frustrations and humaness of children, that is another story.</p>
<p>I think the argument could be made (right or wrong) that a &#8220;Privilege&#8221; list could be made for almost every group from the viewpoint of someone outside that group. I would love to see the feedback from your friends&#8217; children, in their own words.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Adult Privilege Checklist by Anji</title>
		<link>http://shutupsitdown.co.uk/2009/11/16/the-adult-privilege-checklist/#comment-3674</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anji]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2012 17:55:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;This sounds like more of what you want for your child than what children want for themselves.&lt;/i&gt;

I absolutely don&#039;t want a lot of these privileges for my son; my life would be considerably harder, and so would his (more dangerous too I&#039;d bet) if he had them. 

&lt;I&gt;if you want an authentic list ask a 3, 6, 9, and 16 year-old what they think should be included rather than giving the kind of list you think they should make&lt;/I&gt;

I did in fact consult my son while the list was being written, and referred back to my own writings as a 13-15 year old teenager.

Interestingly, you seem to be making this point as an attempt to disparage/discredit the meaning behind the list, but I think it&#039;s a great point. I have a lot of parent friends, and it would be a good idea to interview their children to find out what privileges they perceive the adults in their lives have over them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>This sounds like more of what you want for your child than what children want for themselves.</i></p>
<p>I absolutely don&#8217;t want a lot of these privileges for my son; my life would be considerably harder, and so would his (more dangerous too I&#8217;d bet) if he had them. </p>
<p><i>if you want an authentic list ask a 3, 6, 9, and 16 year-old what they think should be included rather than giving the kind of list you think they should make</i></p>
<p>I did in fact consult my son while the list was being written, and referred back to my own writings as a 13-15 year old teenager.</p>
<p>Interestingly, you seem to be making this point as an attempt to disparage/discredit the meaning behind the list, but I think it&#8217;s a great point. I have a lot of parent friends, and it would be a good idea to interview their children to find out what privileges they perceive the adults in their lives have over them.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Adult Privilege Checklist by Lynn Powers</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lynn Powers]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2012 16:34:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Congratulations and Happy Birthday.

You made a point of saying that the list was purposely worded from the viewpoint of the oppressed class. Why not take it a step further and give a list actually made by the oppressed class. Male privilege lists are made by women, white privilege lists are made by non-white people, heterosexual privilege lists are made by gay, lesbian or transgender people, etc. This is the only list I know of that is created by the oppressing class for the oppressed, and it shows. if you want an authentic list ask a 3, 6, 9, and 16 year-old what they think should be included rather than giving the kind of list you think they should make.. This sounds like more of what you want for your child than what children want for themselves.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congratulations and Happy Birthday.</p>
<p>You made a point of saying that the list was purposely worded from the viewpoint of the oppressed class. Why not take it a step further and give a list actually made by the oppressed class. Male privilege lists are made by women, white privilege lists are made by non-white people, heterosexual privilege lists are made by gay, lesbian or transgender people, etc. This is the only list I know of that is created by the oppressing class for the oppressed, and it shows. if you want an authentic list ask a 3, 6, 9, and 16 year-old what they think should be included rather than giving the kind of list you think they should make.. This sounds like more of what you want for your child than what children want for themselves.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Adult Privilege Checklist by Lynn Powers</title>
		<link>http://shutupsitdown.co.uk/2009/11/16/the-adult-privilege-checklist/#comment-3672</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lynn Powers]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2012 16:12:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;But when I read this list, I didn’t read it as a list of things parents shouldn’t do. Rather, I read it as an enlightening exercise in what kids are feeling&quot;.

While some of it may be what children are feeling, I also think some of it is adults projecting what they are feeling or what they think children should be feeling. 

As the parent of 13 and 9 year-olds, my husband and I have the advantage of their ability to tell us what they are thinking. Not only have we allowed them the freedom to express themselves, they take that freedom quite seriously, so we are not at a loss as to their thoughts or feelings. However, we do not allow ourselves to be held hostage when making decisions about them or the family.

If the list helps you empathize with your children, that&#039;s great, but it&#039;s a little heavy-handed for me. As a matter of fact, some of the items make it difficult  for me to take the list seriously.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But when I read this list, I didn’t read it as a list of things parents shouldn’t do. Rather, I read it as an enlightening exercise in what kids are feeling&#8221;.</p>
<p>While some of it may be what children are feeling, I also think some of it is adults projecting what they are feeling or what they think children should be feeling. </p>
<p>As the parent of 13 and 9 year-olds, my husband and I have the advantage of their ability to tell us what they are thinking. Not only have we allowed them the freedom to express themselves, they take that freedom quite seriously, so we are not at a loss as to their thoughts or feelings. However, we do not allow ourselves to be held hostage when making decisions about them or the family.</p>
<p>If the list helps you empathize with your children, that&#8217;s great, but it&#8217;s a little heavy-handed for me. As a matter of fact, some of the items make it difficult  for me to take the list seriously.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Adult Privilege Checklist by Lynn Powers</title>
		<link>http://shutupsitdown.co.uk/2009/11/16/the-adult-privilege-checklist/#comment-3671</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lynn Powers]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2012 15:37:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;So you are saying that because it is difficult for you to allow your children basic freedoms and rights, and that because it will be difficult for me as well, that I should not be allOwed these rights?&quot;

No. I am saying that while I DO allow my children basic freedoms and rights, they are not all the freedoms and rights that they want. It would not only be difficult for parents to give all the rights their children wanted, in some cases it would be irresponsible.

As far as telling my children they should maybe go to bed, um, no. It is bedtime. I cannot (and do not try) to force them to sleep, but they can no longer talk on the phone, watch television, or play on the computer. I ask them to read before bed, but this is as far as my &quot;punishment&quot; goes.

The assumption that the opposite of complete freedom is abuse does not take into account the range of parenting choices in between. One of my biggest problems with this list is results. With issues like sexism or racism a privilege list would include those things that needed to change, but that is not necessarily the case here. Let&#039;s take a look at #2: If I need a caregiver, he or she will not be my peer. So here is my question: Who thinks this is a bad thing and that it should change? Another issue I have about the list is that some of these items are simply based on logic: again, see #2.

Look, I get it. I was once 14 and now have a 13-year-old. My understanding then was different than my understanding now (not better, just different). What has definitely changed  is that I can no longer only think of myself (which is all I really had to think about at 14), and that changes things quite significantly.

I do try to understand and empathize with my children, but I realize that my choices will not always popular with them, and I am okay with that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;So you are saying that because it is difficult for you to allow your children basic freedoms and rights, and that because it will be difficult for me as well, that I should not be allOwed these rights?&#8221;</p>
<p>No. I am saying that while I DO allow my children basic freedoms and rights, they are not all the freedoms and rights that they want. It would not only be difficult for parents to give all the rights their children wanted, in some cases it would be irresponsible.</p>
<p>As far as telling my children they should maybe go to bed, um, no. It is bedtime. I cannot (and do not try) to force them to sleep, but they can no longer talk on the phone, watch television, or play on the computer. I ask them to read before bed, but this is as far as my &#8220;punishment&#8221; goes.</p>
<p>The assumption that the opposite of complete freedom is abuse does not take into account the range of parenting choices in between. One of my biggest problems with this list is results. With issues like sexism or racism a privilege list would include those things that needed to change, but that is not necessarily the case here. Let&#8217;s take a look at #2: If I need a caregiver, he or she will not be my peer. So here is my question: Who thinks this is a bad thing and that it should change? Another issue I have about the list is that some of these items are simply based on logic: again, see #2.</p>
<p>Look, I get it. I was once 14 and now have a 13-year-old. My understanding then was different than my understanding now (not better, just different). What has definitely changed  is that I can no longer only think of myself (which is all I really had to think about at 14), and that changes things quite significantly.</p>
<p>I do try to understand and empathize with my children, but I realize that my choices will not always popular with them, and I am okay with that.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Adult Privilege Checklist by Jaime</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jaime]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2012 06:24:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry, not ood, but odd, oppositional defiant disorder.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, not ood, but odd, oppositional defiant disorder.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Adult Privilege Checklist by Jaime</title>
		<link>http://shutupsitdown.co.uk/2009/11/16/the-adult-privilege-checklist/#comment-3668</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jaime]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2012 06:22:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So you are saying that because it is difficult for you to allow your children basic freedoms and rights, and that because it will be difficult for me as well, that I should not be allOwed these rights? Why? It seems because it would be too difficult for parents to do. It will be difficult to erase and change any kind of ism or prejudice, such as fat phobia and racism and sexism and cissexism(?), but that does not mean we should not. Therefore, we should not ignore the oppression of young people because it would be a more difficult way of life. We should acknowledge it and try to prevent it. I do realize that as children, we do tend to be a little more on the thoughtless side. That does not mean, however, that adults should have control over every aspect of our lives. I also accept that we/I do require some kind of guiding, helping. But that does not mean we should be entirely controlled and manipulated by our parents and the adults surrounding us. Yes- tell us we should maybe go to bed. Don&#039;t force us to, because otherwise you will hit us or punish us in some other way. You would object if someone hit you for not doing what they wanted- in fact, it is so obviously abuse- until the victim is a disobedient child.

I also feel it us necessary to mention that children, via challenging authority repeatedly and insistently, can be diagnosed with a mental disorder, ood]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So you are saying that because it is difficult for you to allow your children basic freedoms and rights, and that because it will be difficult for me as well, that I should not be allOwed these rights? Why? It seems because it would be too difficult for parents to do. It will be difficult to erase and change any kind of ism or prejudice, such as fat phobia and racism and sexism and cissexism(?), but that does not mean we should not. Therefore, we should not ignore the oppression of young people because it would be a more difficult way of life. We should acknowledge it and try to prevent it. I do realize that as children, we do tend to be a little more on the thoughtless side. That does not mean, however, that adults should have control over every aspect of our lives. I also accept that we/I do require some kind of guiding, helping. But that does not mean we should be entirely controlled and manipulated by our parents and the adults surrounding us. Yes- tell us we should maybe go to bed. Don&#8217;t force us to, because otherwise you will hit us or punish us in some other way. You would object if someone hit you for not doing what they wanted- in fact, it is so obviously abuse- until the victim is a disobedient child.</p>
<p>I also feel it us necessary to mention that children, via challenging authority repeatedly and insistently, can be diagnosed with a mental disorder, ood</p>
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